Upvote 3 Downvote. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Mancini said its standard to recommend that an outgoing senior pastor not be involved in a pastoral succession process. We reached out to leaders at FBC Naples about a dozen times, seeking evidence for the racism charge, as well as comment on other issues at the church, but no one responded. The refusal to release specific documents to any donating member, also a violation of not only the by-laws (which was the same verbiage as the state law) but also the state of Florida Not-for-profit Compliance Act and the IRS which governs their 501(c)(3) status. If those sound like difficult assignments to keep in balance and maintain in proper perspective, it is because they are. Exactly right. It noted that Hayes had unfriended or blocked several people who had signed the petition on his social media accounts. He didnt mentioned anything in the question and answer sessions or his sermon that gave me any indication reconciling and unifying our church was even on his radar. We recall the old Church too. announced his intention to transition gradually out of the churchs pastorate The turmoil at FBC Naples began about a year ago, when longtime Senior Pastor Hayes Wicker announced to the church that he was stepping down to make way for younger fresher leadership.. Well Hello!!! Yet Caudill said that when he spoke up in meetings, the 79-year-old deacon was deemed divisive.. This group was engaged in an email campaign to inform church members about various concerns with Marcus Hayes. Stop reading things into what a person says or writes (Im sure you will do this to me) as being racist. The group adds that national leaders within FBC Napless denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), supported the churchs leadership and furthered the racism charge. Southern Baptist Faith & Message Explained, Woke Purges, Show Trials: What First Baptist Church Naples reveals about the future - Capstone Report, BREAKING: FBC Naples sics lawyers on dissenting church members - Capstone Report, SBC Elites defend credibly accused standard to ruin lives, Bart Barber flipflops on pledge to bring vote to ban Women Pastors in SBC, Evangelical Elites lied you to about the origins of Covid, Woke SBC Elites Delete History To Hide Their Schemes. The pastor was amazing, the atmosphere electrifying, we had fallen in love with the pastor. Keep in touch with Julie and get updates in your inbox! Im not sure where they are located now, nor what they are doing, but I feel confident God is using them in His way. Wicker said he was shocked by the accusations, but instead of fighting, he tendered his resignation. Racism had Nothing to do with voting!It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned ( CRT, SJM, "Woke" Church). A movement, to direct and shape the policies and testimony of the church is quite a thing. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. *I use scare quotes because the Woke phenom is only relevant in a certain context: it is very Americentric (talking like all white people are the same, for example), and not culturally or ethnically sensitive at all when on looks at the ethnic makeup of the church IN OTHER COUNTRIES. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Former deacon, Blake Crawford, said Wicker was later exonerated of the charges in the anonymous letter by church accounting firm, Phillips Harvey Group. If this pastoral candidate supportes a book that divides the church along ethnic lines and stirs up divisions in the body of Christ, it is sad that he received as many votes as he did. Budget Crisis at FBC Naples? Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. Almost unbelievable saga of incompetence. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. I will say this with as much humility as I can muster at this time.The letter from FBCN was a lie! At least four emails were "broadly sent," he wrote, with others privately sent. Shopping. It is a populist movement of tremendous influence and minimal accountability. "Is that what the gospel is all about?". Giving. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. The church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the entire church body. Masters of Divinity in Christian Apologetics, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. Yet Caudill said that instead of calling a special meeting in accordance with church bylaws, the leadership at FBC Naples excommunicated 18 of the Concerned Members, including Caudill. Notice carefully: Our task as ambassadors is to bring good news to people. Ive already been excommunicated and humiliated. I attended the Saturday evening service with Dr.Marcus Hayes. However, Mancini added that the situation at FBC Naples was not typical but did not want to comment on the unique circumstances at the church. Ready to start serving? He and his wife and his children love God and Gods people. If not please hold your comments. Freelance journalist Josh Shepherd writes on faith, culture, and public policy for several media outlets. the group wrote. They arrived in Naples and gathered other Baptist families to meet with them in a small outbuilding behind the local grocery store, meeting for their first worship . So for now we will go to Tampa & enjoy Church there, as no wish to be seen to support incompetence. The campaign, he said in an email to the Daily News, consisted of social media, texting, phone calls and a series of emails. "My heart goes out to his family," Hayes wrote. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. He friended, then de-friended and blocked my wife on social media. Why not make an issue of Dorrills past before Hayes confirmation vote? Racial prejudice a factor in rejection of black pastor, read the headline of a piece published in the Baptist Standard. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. And before you go tagging me as a racist, I am in a biracial marriage myself. The Marcus Hayes vote was used to cry wolf. (Auxanos founder, Will Mancini, also serves as director of consulting for Lifeway, the publishing division of the SBC.). If all things had been equal and fair, our story would not have reached as far and wide, and stoked the emotions that it has. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. @Bernie Lutchman you are so correct. More Emails: FBC Naples Concerned Party Defends Itself Against Accusations of Racism, VIDEO: A look at the problems at FBC Naples, FBC Naples Insider Speaks Out About Alleged Racism and Unbiblical Excommunications at FBC Naples, Leaked Emails Show That FBC Naples Members Had Serious Concerns About Marcus Hayes Biblical Qualifications. After years of delay, Southern Baptists passed a series of reforms in 2022 aimed at addressing abuse in the nations largest Protestant, A former youth pastor at First Baptist Church (FBC) of Bentonville, Arkansas, has accepted a plea deal for his victimization of children, Several churches deemed not in friendly cooperation with the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) have responded to action taken by the SBC Executive. Sandra received her Bachelor's degree in Elementary Education from our local college, Florida Gulfcoast University in 2001. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. "We all realize that the year of 2019 has been very difficult in the life of our church," Dorrill said. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. By circumventing the clear teachings of Matthew 18:15-17 regarding church discipline, this process showcases glaring problems with approaches to discipline that rely entirely on church oligarchies. There are many more than five things you should know about this situation that obviously you either do not know, or have chosen to ignore because they dont support your rhetoric. Why is that? Boy oh boy. political and theological statements and his lack of experience leading a What a great and wise man of God he is? More bluntly What have we done? . And as for Neil Dorrill, that was also brought up well before the arrival of Marcus. ", CONSIDER SUBSCRIBING TODAY: Help support local journalism, More: Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, In a letter to church membersshortly after the failed vote, the church pointed the finger at groupscalled "Voices of FBCN" and"Group of Concerned FBCN Members.". Been here 25+ times. Hayes, a black man married to a white woman, The churchs "A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices," Executive Pastor John D. Edie wrote in an Oct. 31 letter to the Southern Baptist Convention. Now, everything I just said is my opinion. Location Berean Baptist Church is an independent Baptist church located in the beautiful community of Naples, Florida, just south of Ft. Myers. Regardless of what specific concerns were held, its important to know that 1) no evidence of genuine racism on the part of those holding them has surfaced, and 2) the efforts these members made to ask questions and express reservations were not taken seriously. No church creed has ever taught the nonsense that had become so pervasive in evangelicalism. In November, Caudill sent a letter to several prominent SBC leaders, including President Greear and SEBTS President Danny Akin, urging them to retract their statements supporting the racism narrative offered by FBC Naples. This man and his family cannot set foot onto church property, he will never again be able to address a congregation where so many hold him in the highest of esteem. I saw that simply as a distraction from the devil.. Curious timing of raising those concerns. I dont think you mean ill will, but just want to make you aware of how poorly comments like that tend to land. In addition to this ungodly action, a criminal investigation was instigated by church leadership over email addresses that were allegedly stolen from the church by an anonymous group calling itself Voices of FBCN. Sadly, friction in the pastoral transition at FBC Naples has been present from the outset. The removal of the original pastor and his ENTIRE family, the threats to members from a law firm, and the mere fact that they were not abiding by their own by-laws are just a few of the issues going on. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. Those involved either need to find a way to recover from this, not just cover it up, or decide to step aside for the greater good. No One Knows. First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. Takeaway: One could reject the concerns of the church members and not label them racist. To that point, no group had met with Hayes or the committee privately, Dorrill continued, before adding to applause from those gathered at the Q&A session: "This will continue to be a transparent search. It provides an identity for its most passionate acolytes. Catholic Idolaters Claim to Find St. Peters BonesAgain. Pastor John David Edie, who wrote the open letter to the SBC on behalf of leaders at FBC Naples, alleging racism, resigned in early December. Thats what REALLY happened. Now with COVID-19 churches this size are facing a very quick death. Jesus said that He wants us to all be in unity and that He is building a church. Several"inappropriate emails" were sent to Hayes' home church in North Carolina, including to his ministry assistant and his boss, the senior pastor there, "sharing and establishing that certain groups will not vote for him this weekend without a private meeting in advance to have issues of theirs addressed," Dorrill said at the Oct. 24 event. Jemel Roberson was in my student ministry while I was a youth pastor in Chicago. Our Pastoral Search Committee, lay leadership, and the Pastoral Staff all anticipated that our vote would be nothing less than an affirmative statement from our people that God had sovereignly chosen for Marcus Hayes to be our next Pastor. It also noted that Hayes didnt meet the criteria members had stated for the next senior pastorthat he have five years of experience as a senior pastor. I am responding simply to share that theres another side the story and I wish I/we had an opportunity to share such a story without fear of legal action (thats right, the church has threatened legal action against me as well as threatened that if I say anything at all negative about the church they will trespass me prevent me from dropping off and picking up my kids at First Baptist Academy. Wicker said the future for him and his wife is uncertain. Photos See More Hours Mon: 8am - 5pm Tue: 8am - 5pm Wed: 8am - 5pm Thu: 8am - 5pm Fri: 8am - 5pm It is not necessarily the opinion of any entity by which I am employed, any church at which I am a member, any church which I attend, or the educational institution at which I am enrolled. Thank you. In the spring of 1945, Reverend Joseph Engel, his wife and young son were sent by the Brookdale Baptist Church of Bloomfield, New Jersey to plant new churches in South Florida. Ricardo Barbosa December 25, 2014. Theyve even released an open letter to the SBC with the same claim. Well-sourced. While methods may change, our commitment to Biblical doctrine is a non-negotiable. Of course they did. Items. Any copyrighted material displayed or referenced is done under the doctrine of fair use. into an embarrassing public debacle. Find Best Western Hotels & Resorts nearby Sponsored. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. According to sources, Wicker wanted a long period of transition to the new leadership, with even an overlap to help the transition process. Church leaders have alleged that race played a role in the failed vote to affirm Hayes, causing a firestorm of heated discussion on social media and spawning posts by religious websites and blogs. @DooWopCokeFan Please try to understand something: NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE THINK ALIKE. (Lets not even get into the bullying by church staff) Lets just focus on the by-laws for one second. Sad on many, many levels! Click on the link below to see how you can use your gifts and talents for the Kingdom, from Naples to the nations! Namely Hayes Wicker. Such a loving bunch, arent they?!). That's not what happened at First Baptist Church of Naples, Florida. More than 450 emails in support of Hayes were received by the church in the past four days, Dorrill said during the Nov. 2 service. Wade Burleson is also part of the smear campaign, too. As managing editor of the former Florida Baptist Witness (state paper) I was witness to many of Hayes Wickers years of fruitful ministry. We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.. Privacy Policy Ive attended for 14 yrs and not once did see race. The FBC Naples leaders vowed to deal with this sinful cancer and added that church discipline had already started. Clarified a few things I had heard through the SBC grape vine. God has done great things among us and we believe that greater things are yet to come! Food. Caudill added that Dorrill advised Caudill that any pastoral candidates suggested by Wicker would be dead on arrival., In the months leading up to Wickers resignation, the church hired Auxano, a church consulting company, to advise the church on the pastoral transition process. A representative from the Collier County Sheriffs Office also confirmed that FBC Naples contacted them on July 3 regarding a suspicious incident., Wickers daughter, Allyson Stephens, said that on September 13, two detectives visited her home and questioned her about the Voices of FBCN email. You may recall this line from his I have a dream speech: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe Dr. King was right. Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. The so-called dissenters had issues with what the church was doing WELL BEFORE Marcus Hayes arrived. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: In mid-January, Wicker, 68, This ban prevented him from seeing his granddaughter perform in a play being put on at the churchs school, First Baptist Academy. The message at FBCN is clear: get along or get out. Hayes Wicker was the pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples (Florida) for 27 years. We are so glad you've chosen to join us. To donate, click here. But with all due respect, be careful commenting on things you dont understand or have first hand knowledge of. With two young children at home, she dedicated her time to being a stay at home mom until 2007 when the Lord opened the door for her to be a preschool teacher at First Baptist Academy in Naples. Coffee. The church decided to use the racism card instead ACTUALLY deal with the real issues going on. Editors note: This story has been updated to reflect accurate information regarding the participants at a meeting of FBC Naples leaders on April 23. We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. A lengthyOct. 24 email signed by the "group of concerned FBCN members"and obtained by the Daily News was titled "Concerns Surfacing About Compatibility with Marcus Hayes." Also concerning to the group was the fact that Marcus Hayes didnt respond to a letter Concerned Members of FBCN had sent him a week earlier, outlining their issues at the church. Instead of the transition period Wicker announced, the staff strong-armed Wicker out after over a quarter of a century of service to the people of FBC Naples, sources told the Capstone Report. Christianity Today (CT) reported in November that Neil Dorrill had claimed at a Q&A session that inappropriate emails had been sent to Hayess church in North Carolina, Biltmore Church. Church leaders often seem to operate like smoke filled back room big city politicians. Am I not allowed as a deacon and 15+ year member of the church to ask questions about leaders who in my opinion have lied and deceived the church for political gain? Publisher Log-in And if He wanted us all to be the same, He wouldve made us the same. FBC Naples, recently listed as the 64th largest SBC church in the country, appears to be withering in the wake of the scandal. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. Wicker responded with a 16-page letter refuting the charges against him. By Jessica Pigg Last updated Nov 2, 2021 NAPLES Since Alan Brumback's call as lead pastor and his arrival in mid-September, First Baptist Church in Naples has seen baptismal waters stirred every weekend, having celebrated 42 baptisms in October and already scheduling another 15 in November. FBC Napless accusations and treatment of Pastor Wicker upset dozens of church members. We are simultaneously soldiers, commissioned to wage war for the defense and dissemination of the truth in the face of countless onslaughts against it. I guess thats why this slanderous information is labeled as commentary. Church leadership announced that a new senior pastor was not hired because the nominee failed to meet the 85% approval threshold. The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. On social media, too, some church members said race played no role in the failed vote. The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. I left the church. Jude certainly understood this. It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. Garippa, who was never part of Concerned Members of FBCN, declined to comment on why he left FBC Naples. However, no evidence of racism has yet been produced. Church members are upset over the treatment of the retiring pastor who served 27 years at FBC Naples FBC Naples, Florida's longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. (The video is now private and requires a password to view.). This sort of trashing of fine people is becoming commonplace is an SBC I was once very happy to be a part of. DWCF. If there is any racism its from Pastor Hayes and his endorsement of Woke Movement. *Please note that the preceding is my personal opinion. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. Wicker spent 27 years as pastor of First Baptist Church of Naples. During Wickers 27-year tenure, FBC Naples grew from 400 weekly attendance to over 3,000. Greear, SEBTS President Danny Akin, and Rev. Did people voice concerns and questions about Marcus? (I)t seems from social media posts that, with no investigation, some convention leaders have chosen to believe this narrative, Caudill wrote. To donate. On May 28, Caudill said the church placed him on disciplinary suspension from the deacon board and the senior pastor search team. "It had to do with biblical principals that many questioned," she wrote. What Bible verse says that it is a good idea to borrow money to make your church building bigger and more fancy? I guess the good news is that we are all free to move to a different church whenever we like. Dorrill also serves on FBC Naples finance committee. So we are ambassador-soldiers, reaching out to sinners with the truth even as we make every effort to destroy the lies and other forms of evil that hold them in deadly bondage. We asked him to allow us to hug him. But while we cannot know the heart of another, this doesnt sound like a case of hearts poisoned intolerance, of minds clouded by prejudice. Generally, at Southern Baptist churches incoming pastors are approved by a majority of the church body upon recommendation from an elected search committee and/or pastoral staff, Stearns wrote. Power plays, power trips and finances will have repercussions on Judgment Day.or did certain people forget about that?!. Interesting. I am not lesser or better, but different. We also contacted Marcus Hayes and Biltmore Church about the alleged emails but they declined to comment. Need to read the book by Shelby Steele White Guilt where he lays out perfectly the Marist agenda going on. Find a local church Explore; Giving; App; Sign In; Find a Church; Florida; Naples, FL I read about this over at The Wartburg Watch. I also find it interesting that Dorrills past financial misdeeds didnt seem to be a problem for the dissenters until the Hayes vetting process. Yet Wicker said that without his approval or prior knowledge, a statement read by Boone was inserted at the beginning of the video, saying that Wicker had confessed to misuses of power and actions unbecoming of a Senior Pastor. This statement was also emailed to church members on May 23. @Michelle I believe you make valid points. (The church publishes an annual directory with member email addresses.). Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. This remains an elephant in the room at every worship service at that church. Akins son, Jonathan Akin, is currently serving as interim pastor at FBC Naples. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. The First Naples School of Worship Arts exists to develop Christ-honoring worshipers through quality instruction for the purpose of exalting the Lord with their God-given talents and abilities. In his quote-tweet, Hayes said Roberson was in his student ministry while he was a youth pastor in Chicago. Isnt that how we should judge any one persons claims, by how it squares with Scripture on a case-by-case basis? All of the events need to be understood in the context of the overriding event and the church governance that permitted this to happen. This is why I dont attend a church and work on my relationship with God on a daily basis. Ill never bother with a Church again, because this is always going to be an issue. The GRAND OLD STANDARD, the Baptist Faith and the Message, swallowed up by an effective indoctrination of the Faithful by the Left. Soon, one way or another there will be a woke pastor in the pulpit of FBCN. Would highly recommended." - Tabitha C "Better prices than other sites." - Diana E. church as large as FBC Naples. However, he stated, In the 22 years I was there (FBC Naples), I never heard a racist commentever. Our leadership has gone astray, I fear, and those who find the courage to stand up to them have targets on their backs. United States These were ALL issues that these so-called dissenters were trying to have addressed PRIOR to the arrival of Marcus. It may not be sorted out down here but everyone has to give an account, and especially those in leadership positions of the Lords Church for whom He died. Where in the N.T. FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. In it, the group details questions it has about Hayes' qualifications, his tweets and beliefs. But key conferences and key organizations had a vested interest in sidestepping orthodoxy and demonizing any who pointed that out. And it is must never be carried out with retribution in mind, but always with the hope of restoration. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors' Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: Carla, thanks to my excommunicated status, I guess you could call me one of the dissenters and racists. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. ", "After reviewing a little deeper we find that "social justice" and racial inequality appear to be his priority as it pertains to the church and ministry!" The following Tuesday, April 23, Wicker met with FBC Naples leaders including Dorrill, Chairman of the Personnel Committee Troy Boone, Chairman of the Finance Committee Don Collier, and Chairman of Deacons Terry Cole. Doesnt the Holy Spirit operate in us as individuals? Havent hurt enough yet. Terms of Service Not lies. Sadly, that did not come to fruition. The whole clergy-laity distinction, senior pastor, associate pastor, the professional, or called into the ministry Christians is not found ANYWHERE in the New Testament.NO WHERE! . To make matters worse, FBC Naples is implementing church discipline procedures which are in direct violation to those set forth by Jesus in Matthew 18. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of "Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse" by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Just fill out this form and let us know your needs. . Instead he was charged with this amorphous set of wrongdoings that were later largely or totally shown to be untrue. "We know this because of the campaign that started just days before by a few disgruntled people in our church.". The search for a senior pastor continues, with Dorrill leading the search committee. Love for Jesus, for my fellow brother/sister and love for the truth. If you promote that, take a LONG look in the mirror. Problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church members message, swallowed up by an effective indoctrination the. This because of the overriding event and the church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the church. 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